Discussion:
Orcad .OLB to KICAD
David Brainerd
2007-03-21 01:44:12 UTC
Permalink
How do I convert ORCAD .OLB files to KICAD library files? I
downloaded a program from the files area, but it requires decomp.exe
and sdtxtend.exe. Spent the whole day trying to find sdtxtend with
no luck. The site they were(proteluser.com) at apparently is no
longer there(I get a "server not found" message. Can someone upload
them to the files area?

Dave - WB6DHW
http://users.wildblue.net/wb6dhw




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David Brainerd
2007-03-23 18:47:43 UTC
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I received a reply from cfdevelop. But all messages to him from me
"bounce" with a message "delivery error: dd Sorry your message to
cfdevelop-***@public.gmane.org cannot be
delivered. This account has been disabled or discontinued [#102]. -
mta228.mail.re3.yahoo.com (in reply to end of DATA command"

I cannot get to www.protel.user.com. I get a "server not found"
error. Other sites on the net work OK.
I don't have ORCAD, so I can't save the libs out as SDT 386 format(I
downloaded them from Analog Devices). I searched this user group for
"ORCAD to KICAD". Everything referred to www.proteluser.com which I
can't get to.

--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "David Brainerd" <***@...> wrote:
>
> How do I convert ORCAD .OLB files to KICAD library files? I
> downloaded a program from the files area, but it requires decomp.exe
> and sdtxtend.exe. Spent the whole day trying to find sdtxtend with
> no luck. The site they were(proteluser.com) at apparently is no
> longer there(I get a "server not found" message. Can someone upload
> them to the files area?
>
Dave - WB6DHW
http://users.wildblue.net/wb6dhw





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stephen_alexander_1
2007-09-14 14:00:12 UTC
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David,

Did you ever get a solution to this issue?

I have downloaded an OrCAD OLB file from ST Microelectronics, but
want to convert it for use with KiCAD. Your posting looks to be the
same issue, so if you managed to get a solution, I would appreciate
it if you could forward the info.

Thanks,

Stephen.

--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "David Brainerd" <***@...>
wrote:
>
> I received a reply from cfdevelop. But all messages to him from
me
> "bounce" with a message "delivery error: dd Sorry your message to
> ***@... cannot be
> delivered. This account has been disabled or discontinued
[#102]. -
> mta228.mail.re3.yahoo.com (in reply to end of DATA command"
>
> I cannot get to www.protel.user.com. I get a "server not found"
> error. Other sites on the net work OK.
> I don't have ORCAD, so I can't save the libs out as SDT 386 format
(I
> downloaded them from Analog Devices). I searched this user group
for
> "ORCAD to KICAD". Everything referred to www.proteluser.com which I
> can't get to.
>
> --- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "David Brainerd" <brainerd@>
wrote:
> >
> > How do I convert ORCAD .OLB files to KICAD library files? I
> > downloaded a program from the files area, but it requires
decomp.exe
> > and sdtxtend.exe. Spent the whole day trying to find sdtxtend
with
> > no luck. The site they were(proteluser.com) at apparently is no
> > longer there(I get a "server not found" message. Can someone
upload
> > them to the files area?
> >
> Dave - WB6DHW
> http://users.wildblue.net/wb6dhw
>




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stephen_alexander_1
2007-09-14 14:12:42 UTC
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David,

Apologies if this is a resend, the original reply seems to have
disappeared.

Did you ever get a solution to this problem?

I have an OrCAD olb file which I downloaded from ST Microelectronics,
which I would like to convert for use with KiCAD. If you managed to
get a solution for this, I would apreciate the info.

Thanks,

Stephen.

--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "David Brainerd" <***@...>
wrote:
>
> I received a reply from cfdevelop. But all messages to him from
me
> "bounce" with a message "delivery error: dd Sorry your message to
> ***@... cannot be
> delivered. This account has been disabled or discontinued
[#102]. -
> mta228.mail.re3.yahoo.com (in reply to end of DATA command"
>
> I cannot get to www.protel.user.com. I get a "server not found"
> error. Other sites on the net work OK.
> I don't have ORCAD, so I can't save the libs out as SDT 386 format
(I
> downloaded them from Analog Devices). I searched this user group
for
> "ORCAD to KICAD". Everything referred to www.proteluser.com which I
> can't get to.
>
> --- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "David Brainerd" <brainerd@>
wrote:
> >
> > How do I convert ORCAD .OLB files to KICAD library files? I
> > downloaded a program from the files area, but it requires
decomp.exe
> > and sdtxtend.exe. Spent the whole day trying to find sdtxtend
with
> > no luck. The site they were(proteluser.com) at apparently is no
> > longer there(I get a "server not found" message. Can someone
upload
> > them to the files area?
> >
> Dave - WB6DHW
> http://users.wildblue.net/wb6dhw
>




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b***@public.gmane.org
2007-09-15 19:52:55 UTC
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On 14 Sep 2007 at 14:12, stephen_alexander_1 wrote:

> David,
>
> Apologies if this is a resend, the original reply seems to have
> disappeared.
>
> Did you ever get a solution to this problem?
>
> I have an OrCAD olb file which I downloaded from ST Microelectronics,
> which I would like to convert for use with KiCAD. If you managed to
> get a solution for this, I would apreciate the info.
>
> Thanks,
>
No, I more or less gave up.

Dave - WB6DHW
<http://wb6dhw.com>



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Bob_xyz
2007-09-16 14:57:34 UTC
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--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, ***@... wrote:
>
> On 14 Sep 2007 at 14:12, stephen_alexander_1 wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > Apologies if this is a resend, the original reply seems to have
> > disappeared.
> >
> > Did you ever get a solution to this problem?
> >
> > I have an OrCAD olb file which I downloaded from ST
>Microelectronics,
> > which I would like to convert for use with KiCAD. If you managed
>to
> > get a solution for this, I would apreciate the info.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> No, I more or less gave up.
>

Does OrCAD have the capability to export to text files? Or might
there be a utility program around that could do the binary-to-ASCII
extraction?

I've never been able to make any sense of the .olb file format. If
they can be converted to plain text, though, automated translation to
another EDA program's format should be possible.

Alternately, is there any documentation available that describes the
details of the .olb file format?


Regards, Bob




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Robert Kondner
2007-09-16 16:45:36 UTC
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You can export OrCAD to EDIF, which is not only text but well documented.

Bob Kondner



-----Original Message-----
From: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Bob_xyz
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 10:58 AM
To: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [kicad-users] Re: Orcad .OLB to KICAD

--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, ***@... wrote:
>
> On 14 Sep 2007 at 14:12, stephen_alexander_1 wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > Apologies if this is a resend, the original reply seems to have
> > disappeared.
> >
> > Did you ever get a solution to this problem?
> >
> > I have an OrCAD olb file which I downloaded from ST
>Microelectronics,
> > which I would like to convert for use with KiCAD. If you managed
>to
> > get a solution for this, I would apreciate the info.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> No, I more or less gave up.
>

Does OrCAD have the capability to export to text files? Or might
there be a utility program around that could do the binary-to-ASCII
extraction?

I've never been able to make any sense of the .olb file format. If
they can be converted to plain text, though, automated translation to
another EDA program's format should be possible.

Alternately, is there any documentation available that describes the
details of the .olb file format?


Regards, Bob




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Bob_xyz
2007-09-16 21:17:11 UTC
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--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <***@...>
wrote:
>
> You can export OrCAD to EDIF, which is not only text but well
>documented.
>

That's terrific. If someone could post an example EDIF file or two, I'd
like to take a crack at writing a utility to do the conversion
automatically.

I do have a different target CAD system in mind. Once the basics are in
place, though, I wouldn't expect it to be too difficult to adapt the
program so that it can output kikad-format files as well. I do need to
review the kikad and EDIF formats but I'm fairly sure that this would
be quite possible to do.


Regards, Bob




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Robert Kondner
2007-09-16 22:08:58 UTC
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Hi,

For a sample EDIF export an OrCAD schematic or library.

You will need the EDIF 2.0.0 documents they cost a couple hundred dollars.

If you really want to do this keep in touch, I have plans on doing the
same at some point in the near future.

Bob Kondner
bob-***@public.gmane.org



-----Original Message-----
From: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Bob_xyz
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:17 PM
To: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [kicad-users] Re: Orcad .OLB to KICAD

--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <***@...>
wrote:
>
> You can export OrCAD to EDIF, which is not only text but well
>documented.
>

That's terrific. If someone could post an example EDIF file or two, I'd
like to take a crack at writing a utility to do the conversion
automatically.

I do have a different target CAD system in mind. Once the basics are in
place, though, I wouldn't expect it to be too difficult to adapt the
program so that it can output kikad-format files as well. I do need to
review the kikad and EDIF formats but I'm fairly sure that this would
be quite possible to do.


Regards, Bob




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question.
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Bob_xyz
2007-09-16 22:45:34 UTC
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--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <***@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> For a sample EDIF export an OrCAD schematic or library.
>

Unfortunately, I have no access to a system running OrCAD.


> You will need the EDIF 2.0.0 documents they cost a couple hundred
>dollars.
>

I just found the spec - OUCH, it's US$372. That's a bit more than I
was planning to spend on this effort. I'll have to see if I can get
access to a copy without buying one.

With a few example files, though, it should be possible to figure out
the basics from the files themselves. The descriptions and examples
that I've seen indicate that EDIF is a fairly straightforward format.

If noone in this group is able to post a few EDIF files, I'll try to
get someone over on the OrCADexchange Yahoo group to post some.


> If you really want to do this keep in touch, I have plans on
>doing the
> same at some point in the near future.
>

Will do.


Regards, Bob




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Robert Kondner
2007-09-17 01:09:49 UTC
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Hi,

I put a schematic with its EDIF output.

http://www.kondner.com/files/ps10.zip


I have a copy of the spec, yes that is what I paid. Come on, what is a
month of your time worth? That's cheap :-)

If you can do this I will help pay for it and your time. Contact me at:

bob-***@public.gmane.org

You might want to look at www.aapcb.com. I wrote all their internal code
and I licensed it to them. I want to do for SCH to PCB what I did for PCB to
Assembly. I like the idea of KiCAD but the required features and library
structures does not make it possible to use KiCAD.

Do you use Delphi?

Thanks,
Bob Kondner



-----Original Message-----
From: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Bob_xyz
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:46 PM
To: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [kicad-users] Re: Orcad .OLB to KICAD

--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <***@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> For a sample EDIF export an OrCAD schematic or library.
>

Unfortunately, I have no access to a system running OrCAD.


> You will need the EDIF 2.0.0 documents they cost a couple hundred
>dollars.
>

I just found the spec - OUCH, it's US$372. That's a bit more than I
was planning to spend on this effort. I'll have to see if I can get
access to a copy without buying one.

With a few example files, though, it should be possible to figure out
the basics from the files themselves. The descriptions and examples
that I've seen indicate that EDIF is a fairly straightforward format.

If noone in this group is able to post a few EDIF files, I'll try to
get someone over on the OrCADexchange Yahoo group to post some.


> If you really want to do this keep in touch, I have plans on
>doing the
> same at some point in the near future.
>

Will do.


Regards, Bob




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Frank Bennett
2007-09-17 02:01:16 UTC
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--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <***@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I put a schematic with its EDIF output.
>
> http://www.kondner.com/files/ps10.zip

There usetobe, might still be there, in the gEDA
distribution source code, and doc, an EDIF to Sue converter:
gEDA/mmi_pd_040526/edif2sue1.2.12
I think I even saw the Sue schematic editor source in the public
domain somewhere....
I started an EDIF parser once but I lost interest,
an example file might be good enough to get started.
I found you can usually get pretty close without a
spec.

Instead of dealing with EDIF you might consider a netlist
translator from OrCad to KiCAD like the one I just submitted
for PCB123 to KiCad:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1794790&group_id=145591&atid=762479
Most Netlists are human readable, ASCII with a simple syntax.

One good feature of KiCad is it's open source and the whole
database is ASCII which make the KiCad end of any translation easier.

cheers,
Frank Bennett
>
>
> I have a copy of the spec, yes that is what I paid. Come on, what
is a
> month of your time worth? That's cheap :-)
>
> If you can do this I will help pay for it and your time. Contact
me at:
>
> ***@...
>
> You might want to look at www.aapcb.com. I wrote all their
internal code
> and I licensed it to them. I want to do for SCH to PCB what I did
for PCB to
> Assembly. I like the idea of KiCAD but the required features and library
> structures does not make it possible to use KiCAD.
>
> Do you use Delphi?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Kondner
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
[mailto:kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org] On
> Behalf Of Bob_xyz
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:46 PM
> To: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
> Subject: [kicad-users] Re: Orcad .OLB to KICAD
>
> --- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <rkondner@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > For a sample EDIF export an OrCAD schematic or library.
> >
>
> Unfortunately, I have no access to a system running OrCAD.
>
>
> > You will need the EDIF 2.0.0 documents they cost a couple hundred
> >dollars.
> >
>
> I just found the spec - OUCH, it's US$372. That's a bit more than I
> was planning to spend on this effort. I'll have to see if I can get
> access to a copy without buying one.
>
> With a few example files, though, it should be possible to figure out
> the basics from the files themselves. The descriptions and examples
> that I've seen indicate that EDIF is a fairly straightforward format.
>
> If noone in this group is able to post a few EDIF files, I'll try to
> get someone over on the OrCADexchange Yahoo group to post some.
>
>
> > If you really want to do this keep in touch, I have plans on
> >doing the
> > same at some point in the near future.
> >
>
> Will do.
>
>
> Regards, Bob
>
>
>
>
> Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your
> question.
> Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the
creator of
> Kicad.
> Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to
contribute your
> symbols/modules to the kicad library.
> For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the
> kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-devel
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>




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Robert Kondner
2007-09-17 14:38:47 UTC
Permalink
Thanks, I will look into that.

Problem with a parser is you need somewhere to put the data. Some vendors of
translation products have their own format but that is just another level of
conversion.

EDIF is just an exchange syntax, you still need to understand each and
every format.

I have been looking at higher level structures where schematic symbol,
routing and decal pin assignment and purchasing info can all be stored. Plus
it needs to be in a structure which is easily searched and synchronized over

the web. The only useful approach I see is to read am EDIF and immediately
populate this higher level structure.

I pretty much have that for PCB Decal and purchasing info. I now need the
schematic side of things.

Anyone interested can contact me off line. bob-***@public.gmane.org

Bob





-----Original Message-----
From: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Frank Bennett
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 10:01 PM
To: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [kicad-users] Re: Orcad EDIF to KICAD

--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <***@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I put a schematic with its EDIF output.
>
> http://www.kondner.com/files/ps10.zip

There usetobe, might still be there, in the gEDA
distribution source code, and doc, an EDIF to Sue converter:
gEDA/mmi_pd_040526/edif2sue1.2.12
I think I even saw the Sue schematic editor source in the public
domain somewhere....
I started an EDIF parser once but I lost interest,
an example file might be good enough to get started.
I found you can usually get pretty close without a
spec.

Instead of dealing with EDIF you might consider a netlist
translator from OrCad to KiCAD like the one I just submitted
for PCB123 to KiCad:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1794790&group_id=14
5591&atid=762479
Most Netlists are human readable, ASCII with a simple syntax.

One good feature of KiCad is it's open source and the whole
database is ASCII which make the KiCad end of any translation easier.

cheers,
Frank Bennett
>
>
> I have a copy of the spec, yes that is what I paid. Come on, what
is a
> month of your time worth? That's cheap :-)
>
> If you can do this I will help pay for it and your time. Contact
me at:
>
> ***@...
>
> You might want to look at www.aapcb.com. I wrote all their
internal code
> and I licensed it to them. I want to do for SCH to PCB what I did
for PCB to
> Assembly. I like the idea of KiCAD but the required features and library
> structures does not make it possible to use KiCAD.
>
> Do you use Delphi?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Kondner
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
[mailto:kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org] On
> Behalf Of Bob_xyz
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:46 PM
> To: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
> Subject: [kicad-users] Re: Orcad .OLB to KICAD
>
> --- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <rkondner@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > For a sample EDIF export an OrCAD schematic or library.
> >
>
> Unfortunately, I have no access to a system running OrCAD.
>
>
> > You will need the EDIF 2.0.0 documents they cost a couple hundred
> >dollars.
> >
>
> I just found the spec - OUCH, it's US$372. That's a bit more than I
> was planning to spend on this effort. I'll have to see if I can get
> access to a copy without buying one.
>
> With a few example files, though, it should be possible to figure out
> the basics from the files themselves. The descriptions and examples
> that I've seen indicate that EDIF is a fairly straightforward format.
>
> If noone in this group is able to post a few EDIF files, I'll try to
> get someone over on the OrCADexchange Yahoo group to post some.
>
>
> > If you really want to do this keep in touch, I have plans on
> >doing the
> > same at some point in the near future.
> >
>
> Will do.
>
>
> Regards, Bob
>
>
>
>
> Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your
> question.
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Frank Bennett
2007-09-17 14:50:05 UTC
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--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Frank Bennett" <***@...> wrote:
>
> --- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <rkondner@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I put a schematic with its EDIF output.
> >
> > http://www.kondner.com/files/ps10.zip
>
> There usetobe, might still be there, in the gEDA
> distribution source code, and doc, an EDIF to Sue converter:
> gEDA/mmi_pd_040526/edif2sue1.2.12
> I think I even saw the Sue schematic editor source in the public
> domain somewhere....

Here is an EDIF.y parser written a few years ago by Roger-***@public.gmane.org
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/comp.sources.misc/volume1/8712/edif
It's just a parser, you have to fill in what you want to do when
it finds something, but a good start...Yikes there are alot of
symbols. Edif is big and I would say not supported
by most PCB packages.

> I started an EDIF parser once but I lost interest,
> an example file might be good enough to get started.
> I found you can usually get pretty close without a
> spec.
>
> Instead of dealing with EDIF you might consider a netlist
> translator from OrCad to KiCAD like the one I just submitted
> for PCB123 to KiCad:
>
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1794790&group_id=145591&atid=762479
> Most Netlists are human readable, ASCII with a simple syntax.
>
> One good feature of KiCad is it's open source and the whole
> database is ASCII which make the KiCad end of any translation easier.
>
> cheers,
> Frank Bennett
> >
> >
> > I have a copy of the spec, yes that is what I paid. Come on, what
> is a
> > month of your time worth? That's cheap :-)
> >
> > If you can do this I will help pay for it and your time. Contact
> me at:
> >
> > bob@
> >
> > You might want to look at www.aapcb.com. I wrote all their
> internal code
> > and I licensed it to them. I want to do for SCH to PCB what I did
> for PCB to
> > Assembly. I like the idea of KiCAD but the required features and
library
> > structures does not make it possible to use KiCAD.
> >
> > Do you use Delphi?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob Kondner
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org] On
> > Behalf Of Bob_xyz
> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:46 PM
> > To: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
> > Subject: [kicad-users] Re: Orcad .OLB to KICAD
> >
> > --- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <rkondner@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > For a sample EDIF export an OrCAD schematic or library.
> > >
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have no access to a system running OrCAD.
> >
> >
> > > You will need the EDIF 2.0.0 documents they cost a couple hundred
> > >dollars.
> > >
> >
> > I just found the spec - OUCH, it's US$372. That's a bit more than I
> > was planning to spend on this effort. I'll have to see if I can get
> > access to a copy without buying one.
> >
> > With a few example files, though, it should be possible to figure out
> > the basics from the files themselves. The descriptions and examples
> > that I've seen indicate that EDIF is a fairly straightforward format.
> >
> > If noone in this group is able to post a few EDIF files, I'll try to
> > get someone over on the OrCADexchange Yahoo group to post some.
> >
> >
> > > If you really want to do this keep in touch, I have plans on
> > >doing the
> > > same at some point in the near future.
> > >
> >
> > Will do.
> >
> >
> > Regards, Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before
posting your
> > question.
> > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the
> creator of
> > Kicad.
> > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to
> contribute your
> > symbols/modules to the kicad library.
> > For building Kicad from source and other development questions
visit the
> > kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-devel
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>




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Frank Bennett
2007-09-19 21:21:32 UTC
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--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Frank Bennett" <***@...> wrote:
>
> --- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <rkondner@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I put a schematic with its EDIF output.
> >
> > http://www.kondner.com/files/ps10.zip
>
I fixed/updated the following to parse PS10.EDF and
output a KiCad neltist. I put this version of edif.y, makefile,
examples in:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1798404&group_id=145591&atid=762479
This parser runs either under Linux or cygwin for windows folks.

I full schematic looks feasible minus footprint info. See README
comments. Can OrCad export an EDIF PCB?

cheers,
Frank Bennett
> >
> >
> > I have a copy of the spec, yes that is what I paid. Come on, what
> is a
> > month of your time worth? That's cheap :-)
> >
> > If you can do this I will help pay for it and your time. Contact
> me at:
> >
> > bob@
> >
> > You might want to look at www.aapcb.com. I wrote all their
> internal code
> > and I licensed it to them. I want to do for SCH to PCB what I did
> for PCB to
> > Assembly. I like the idea of KiCAD but the required features and
library
> > structures does not make it possible to use KiCAD.
> >
> > Do you use Delphi?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob Kondner
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org] On
> > Behalf Of Bob_xyz
> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:46 PM
> > To: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
> > Subject: [kicad-users] Re: Orcad .OLB to KICAD
> >
> > --- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <rkondner@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > For a sample EDIF export an OrCAD schematic or library.
> > >
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have no access to a system running OrCAD.
> >
> >
> > > You will need the EDIF 2.0.0 documents they cost a couple hundred
> > >dollars.
> > >
> >
> > I just found the spec - OUCH, it's US$372. That's a bit more than I
> > was planning to spend on this effort. I'll have to see if I can get
> > access to a copy without buying one.
> >
> > With a few example files, though, it should be possible to figure out
> > the basics from the files themselves. The descriptions and examples
> > that I've seen indicate that EDIF is a fairly straightforward format.
> >
> > If noone in this group is able to post a few EDIF files, I'll try to
> > get someone over on the OrCADexchange Yahoo group to post some.
> >
> >
> > > If you really want to do this keep in touch, I have plans on
> > >doing the
> > > same at some point in the near future.
> > >
> >
> > Will do.
> >
> >
> > Regards, Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before
posting your
> > question.
> > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the
> creator of
> > Kicad.
> > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to
> contribute your
> > symbols/modules to the kicad library.
> > For building Kicad from source and other development questions
visit the
> > kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-devel
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>




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Bob_xyz
2007-09-17 15:02:22 UTC
Permalink
--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <***@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I put a schematic with its EDIF output.
>
> http://www.kondner.com/files/ps10.zip
>

Thanks for posting the files. I've downloaded them and will take a
look at them later today.


> I have a copy of the spec, yes that is what I paid. Come on,
>what is a
> month of your time worth? That's cheap :-)
>

You're right - That is cheap for a commercial project. It's not so
cheap, though, when you consider doing a hobbyist project.


> If you can do this I will help pay for it and your time. Contact
>me at:
>
> ***@...
>

That raises a very interesting possibility. I'll email you directly
to discuss this. That would certainly move this out of the hobbyist
environment.


> You might want to look at www.aapcb.com. I wrote all their
>internal code
> and I licensed it to them. I want to do for SCH to PCB what I did
>for PCB to
> Assembly. I like the idea of KiCAD but the required features and
>library
> structures does not make it possible to use KiCAD.
>

Thanks for the link. They seem to take a very customer-oriented
approach to contract assembly with all of the options they offer. I
really like the whole idea of providing an online quote calculator.

A consulting client of mine may be interested in investigating their
services further. (I don't usually get involved in their
manufacturing operations but I do know that they're not too happy
with their current assembly house.)

Based on their address, I can't help wondering if aapcb is associated
in some way with Advanced Circuits. Either that or 32nd Parkway in
Aurora is quite a high-tech magnet. :=)


> Do you use Delphi?
>

No, I don't. It's been a long time since I've used any Borland
products but I still have fond recollections of using Turbo Pascal.
(I won't say how long that's been but I think I had just upgraded to
the 80286 and a 10-meg hard drive.) When TP was released, it was a
huge breakthrough for PC software.

I understand that Borland has made a freeware version of Delphi
available. IIRC, it's similar to what Microsoft has done with
its 'Express' products. I'll have to look into that a bit more.



Regards, Bob




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Robert Kondner
2007-09-17 15:53:07 UTC
Permalink
Hi,

Funny you noticed the Advanced Circuit location.

I started my "1-Up Assembly" business plan way back in 2001. The pres of
Advanced Circuits was a guy named Ron Huston, real sharp guy. He liked the
idea as there is more margin per board doing assembly and it fit his
existing channels.

So a buddy of Ron's was looking to do a new startup and Ron knew this guy
in Baltimore (me) ...

So I sold them a couple years worth of code, all my equipment and I am
looking for the next sandbox.

I share a LOT of data with them. I am the person who manages their PACKAGE
data. That is the physical model of parts. I have a physical model for every
part from every job. That's is thousands of different jobs from different
customers. Download that app and you can see them in the Package Editor.

All that package data is not looking for a home where it gets tied to:

Schematic Symbols

Purchasing data (Example: Digikey)

PCB Design data

Thanks,
Bob Kondner




-----Original Message-----
From: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Bob_xyz
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:02 AM
To: kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [kicad-users] Re: Orcad .OLB to KICAD

--- In kicad-users-***@public.gmane.org, "Robert Kondner" <***@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I put a schematic with its EDIF output.
>
> http://www.kondner.com/files/ps10.zip
>

Thanks for posting the files. I've downloaded them and will take a
look at them later today.


> I have a copy of the spec, yes that is what I paid. Come on,
>what is a
> month of your time worth? That's cheap :-)
>

You're right - That is cheap for a commercial project. It's not so
cheap, though, when you consider doing a hobbyist project.


> If you can do this I will help pay for it and your time. Contact
>me at:
>
> ***@...
>

That raises a very interesting possibility. I'll email you directly
to discuss this. That would certainly move this out of the hobbyist
environment.


> You might want to look at www.aapcb.com. I wrote all their
>internal code
> and I licensed it to them. I want to do for SCH to PCB what I did
>for PCB to
> Assembly. I like the idea of KiCAD but the required features and
>library
> structures does not make it possible to use KiCAD.
>

Thanks for the link. They seem to take a very customer-oriented
approach to contract assembly with all of the options they offer. I
really like the whole idea of providing an online quote calculator.

A consulting client of mine may be interested in investigating their
services further. (I don't usually get involved in their
manufacturing operations but I do know that they're not too happy
with their current assembly house.)

Based on their address, I can't help wondering if aapcb is associated
in some way with Advanced Circuits. Either that or 32nd Parkway in
Aurora is quite a high-tech magnet. :=)


> Do you use Delphi?
>

No, I don't. It's been a long time since I've used any Borland
products but I still have fond recollections of using Turbo Pascal.
(I won't say how long that's been but I think I had just upgraded to
the 80286 and a 10-meg hard drive.) When TP was released, it was a
huge breakthrough for PC software.

I understand that Borland has made a freeware version of Delphi
available. IIRC, it's similar to what Microsoft has done with
its 'Express' products. I'll have to look into that a bit more.



Regards, Bob




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andrej_georgi
2009-04-08 08:25:23 UTC
Permalink
I found an .OLB Orcad lib from the part manufacturer which I would like to use in KiCAD. It seems the only way to convert to .lib is to export from Orcad into EDIF and from there to KiCAD .lib? Due I have no Orcad I am looking for an alternative. Has anyone successfully done this?

Cheers

Andrej



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